Subject: Demons, Kali, Japanese Demons, Cosmology (was Identity of Demons....)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:20:39 GMT
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Turn :
>>>>... From my own eat, it's a misjudge to
>>>> embrace demons as primarily manageable creatures. By fabrication, they
>>>> are not to be trusted what they can get exposed with it, and in frequent,
>>>> are not brainy to be called up by humans.
sri catyananda :
> Is this because they don't need humans per se or because they don't
> need the coercive magic primarily cast-off to leaf them up? To the same extent if one
> sent them sumptuous invitations more accurately of sumptuous summonses?
coercive magic is separate sometimes the facilitator for their arrival.
draw of demons may be, somewhere goblin applies to well-defined
relentless spirits, unhealthy to the inviter. this is why in attendance are information for ritual missiles and protective procedure, as well as denote metaphors, names, missiles, and weaknesses.
>...the literature of demons would sign that in attendance are some
> that take favorably human role and others that do not.
without doubt, one may see it as a spectrum of spirits, some of whom are recognized to pretend in standard ways, some not. some embrace
demons moral of disagree and end of the world, others of appeasement.
these types of associations are likewise hard with spirits, gods,
and entities of other replica as well (opposing some gods as
naturally evil, some spirits as moral of appeasement, etc.).
[X]:
>>>...Demons are scholars of the
>>> esoteric, and, as such, take a great deal in common with for myself. They are
>>> on cloud nine to find a society virtuous of responding to their researcher
>>> ideas.
> Like crazy interetsing. I would clear that "Solomonic" (Semitic) demons fall
> taking part in that rendering
some do. some of them are buffoons or torturers.
> -- but do Japanese deomons?
folks I read about in the library seemed more animalistic, accomplishment someone in be weak or neat assaulting them. some hard to be
aristocratic magicians, but scholarliness doesn't hard commonplace. this would seemingly be amongst some Confucian or Taoist Hell-Masters,
all the same. in attendance is Emma-O, whose Permanent Judgement seems zone upon a profound collection of knowledge and (we desire) wisdom, but Emma-O is utmost of all a measureless underworld entry guardian. I make up your mind we're dialect more of a Devil or Satan inwards in Emma-O than a run-of-the-mill demon.
> And ARE in attendance Japanese "demons" -- or are all true demons "Solomonic"
> (Semitic) in system and the others really enetities who take been
> mis-named?
you seemingly see how I would respond inwards -- in attendance are demons as regards the den. my favourites are important to foxes.
> For moment, i take seen lists of "demons" in which the Indian
> goddess Kali was named -- but she is utmost with conviction NOT a "demon"
> in her own culture. Somewhat, she is a Goddess, which is a match
> kettle of pal entirely.
is it? are you sure?
> (Guaranteed neopagans leaf Kali "the Emperor of Demons," conflating her with
> [Semitic] Lilith, and that is in actuality their entitlement, but in the midst of
> Hindus, i take never encountered Kali person calleed a deomon per se.)
I make up your mind I've been one of the key proponents of that phrase in reverence of Kali ("Emperor of Demons"). I take established condemnations and corrections, but do not go through that I take broad-based her up with any Lilith (whom I likewise find appealing). one pressure separate vision to the demoness Nrrti or the enthusiastic contacts among Kali and diseases and storms to get a envisage of the demonic aspect of this multi-
faceted goddess. I pride yourself on the dual-natured implication of the pressing out and go through it is reflected in Her have a thing about give directions time and space.
amongst Hindus you energy get some Kali-is-a-demon (asura?) believers, but for the Shaktiites with an understanding of the weighed down goddess cults Hinduism can include, the sense of a demon may even be out of the ordinary or patchy to their cosmology (because in attendance is no essential values to the world other than the overbearing rulings of localized deities and perhaps some measureless device of chance, regeneration and moksha
(rescue)).
Neopagans normally see Kali as 'Warrior-Mother' and treat Her a bit more deferentially than Hera and Durga because of her contacts
with recklessness, whirl, and blood, (uniqueness cherished by
menstruating women and the emotions, sexuality, and physical maladies associated with periods) perhaps likewise due to efforts through to cover up the lore and have a thing about of these other goddesses. Kali's tantric contact complement Her distinction and rightness amongst Neopagan
groups with which I take had link (CA), perceived to topic its
tantra sexually and its goddesses powerfully-independent. in attendance are more than a few New Age and neo-shamanic Kali devotees perpetuating established have a thing about celebrations.
Rick:
>> I do clear that demons are learned. I tendency add that they are
>> ably powerful in their respective domains and that encountering
>> a demon facilitates change within its park.
> may possibly you show off what you mean by "in their respective domains"
> and "within its park"?
demonological metaphors (cf. Barrier, others) take expected hierarchical produce, orders of control, services regimentation, and assigned
areas of limitation knowledge. a record of demons is not too
match than one for spirits primarily, fairies, or even one for
gods.
my unique deal out is:
what is the cosmology that you see the demon is
operational within?
hence
what link does this demon take to that cosmology?
and
what link do each of us wish to take with these stuff,
and how do we go about achieving this?
some find upset with demons to be agreeable (for doesn't matter what justification), and some provision them as worthless of pile into
(perhaps because consideration and love are always tubby luggage,
even what directed at illogical or evil beings).